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    Waireka
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    Animal Rights...

    Post  Waireka on Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:40 am

    How important are animal rights to you?
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    Post  Waireka on Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:40 am

    For me they are unimportant in the worldly perspective, yes there is a lot of stuff that happens to animals all over the world which is wrong, but I think we need to get Human Rights sorted and Human Rights should be our number one priority.
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    Post  master5o1 on Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:16 pm

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    Post  relict on Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:57 pm

    Waireka wrote:For me they are unimportant in the worldly perspective, yes there is a lot of stuff that happens to animals all over the world which is wrong, but I think we need to get Human Rights sorted and Human Rights should be our number one priority.

    I agree that human rights are a higher priority than animal rights, but I don't think this means no effort or resources should be spent on animal rights until human rights are sorted, since it isn't a simple matter of the effort or resources being able to be diverted to help humans, and also because there is a connection between the two (children who torture animals often grow to commit extreme crimes against people).

    I think there will always be human rights issues, but that doesn't mean we can't try to address animal rights as well. If you gave me the choice of 'save the random puppy or save the random person', I'd save the person (the use of 'random' is not intended to imply that I'd save a puppy over some particular people.)
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    Post  Linno on Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:06 pm

    Not very.
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    Post  Psalter on Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:30 am

    They have the right to be tasty.
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    Post  master5o1 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:22 am

    Psalter wrote:They have the right to be tasty.

    Animals have the right to be tasty.
    Humans have the right to eat animals.
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    Post  Diaz on Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:29 am

    Animal rights or animal welfare? I'd define the two quite differently, one is ostensibly about exploitation by humans and the other being about the protection of animals and their environment. Animals have rights in both cases but in the animal rights movement they would trump everything.

    "The philosophy of animal rights says, in essence, that animals have the same rights as humans: For example, we don't keep other humans as slaves, so we shouldn't keep dogs as pets, and zoos should not confine exotic animals that are threatened with extinction. All medical testing on animals should be banned. Because we don't kill and eat human beings or use human byproducts for food, we should ban the consumption of all meat and other animal products, including milk and eggs. We don't use human hides for clothing, so we should not use leather for shoes, fur for coats or even the silk from silk worms for blouses."
    http://brianoconnor.typepad.com/animal_crackers/2005/06/ar_vs_aw_a_zook.html

    I strongly support animal welfare, but I think the animal rights groups are the lunatic fringe mainly because of their attacks on scientists who work with animals. Unfortunately, the reality is that animal research is impossible to avoid as cell and computer models can only go so far.
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    Post  relict on Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:25 am

    Diaz wrote:Animal rights or animal welfare?

    Okay, substitute 'welfare' into my post in the place of 'rights' after the words 'animal'. Smile

    I think their lives do have SOME value, so we should kill as few as possible for our needs, and do it humanely. No point eating meat three times a day, or harvesting a small part of a carcass and throwing the rest away. Leather shoes wear well, but no point buying 30 pairs of leather shoes so you have one for each day of the month, or wallpapering your walls with leather coz you like the look.
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    Post  master5o1 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:01 pm

    Obligatory Opposites.

    Animal Lefts
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